Press conference: PM and President Obama 13 May 2013
A press conference given by the Prime Minister and President Obama in Washington, USA.
President Obama
Morning everybody, please have a seat. And to all our mums out there, I hope you had a wonderful Mother바카라 사이트™s Day. It바카라 사이트™s always a great pleasure to welcome my friend and partner, Prime Minister David Cameron. Michelle and I have wonderful memories from when David and Samantha visited us last year. There was a lot of attention about how I took David to March Madness. We went to Ohio, and a year later we had to confess that David still does not understand basketball; I still do not understand cricket.
As we have said before, the great alliance between the United States and the United Kingdom is rooted in shared interests and shared values. And it is indispensable to global security and prosperity. But as we have seen again recently, it is also a partnership of the heart. Here in the United States we joined our British friends in mourning the passing of Baroness Margaret Thatcher, a great champion of freedom and liberty and of the alliance that we carry on today.
And after the bombings in Boston we Americans were grateful for the support of friends from around the world, particularly those across the Atlantic. At the London Marathon, runners paused in a moment of silence, and dedicated the race to Boston, and David will be visiting Boston to pay tribute to the victims and first responders. So David, I want to thank you and the British people for reminding us that in good times and in bad our two peoples stand as one.
David바카라 사이트™s here first and foremost as he prepares to host the G8 next month. I appreciate him updating me on the agenda as it takes shape, and we discussed how the summit will be another opportunity to sustain the global economic recovery with a focus on growth and creating jobs for our people. Michelle and I are looking forward to visiting Northern Ireland, and I know that the summit is going to be a great success under David바카라 사이트™s fine leadership.
We discussed the importance of moving ahead with the EU towards negotiations on the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. Our extensive trade with the UK is central to our broader transatlantic economic relationship, which supports more than 13 million jobs. And I want to thank David for his strong support for building on those ties, and I look forward to launching negotiations with the EU in the coming months. I believe we바카라 사이트™ve got a real opportunity to cut tariffs, open markets, create jobs and make all of our economies even more competitive.
With regard to global security, we reviewed progress in Afghanistan, where our troops continue to serve with extraordinary courage alongside each other, and I want to commend David for his efforts to encourage greater dialogue between Afghanistan and Pakistan, which is critical to regional security. As planned, Afghan forces will take the lead for security across the country soon; this spring. US, British and Coalition forces will move into a support role. Our troops will continue to come home, and the war will end by the end of next year, even as we work with our Afghan partners to make sure that Afghanistan is never again a haven for terrorists who would attack our nations.
Given our shared commitment to Middle East peace, I updated David on Secretary Kerry바카라 사이트™s efforts with Israelis and Palestinians, and the importance of moving towards negotiations. And we reaffirmed our support for democratic transitions in the Middle East and North Africa, including the economic reforms that have to go along with political reforms.
Of course, we discussed Syria and the appalling violence being inflicted on the Syrian people. Together we are going to continue our efforts to increase pressure on the Assad regime, to provide humanitarian aid to the long suffering Syrian people, to strengthen the moderate opposition and prepare for a democratic Syria without Bashar Assad, and that includes bringing together representatives of the regime and the opposition in Geneva in the coming weeks to agree on a transitional body, which would allow a transfer of power from Assad to this governing body.
Meanwhile we will continue to work to establish the facts around the use of chemical weapons in Syria, and those facts will help guide our next steps. We discussed Iran, and we agreed to keep up the pressure on Tehran for its continued failure to abide by its nuclear obligations. The burden is on Iran to engage constructively with us and our P5+1 partners in order to resolve the world바카라 사이트™s concerns about its nuclear programme.
And finally today we are reaffirming our commitment to global development. Specifically, we are encouraged by the ambitious reforms underway at The Global Fund to Fight AIDS, TB and Malaria, where both of our nations are stepping up our efforts. And David has made it clear that the G8 Summit will be another opportunity to make progress on nutrition and food security.
So David, thank you very much as always for your leadership and your partnership as we prepare for our work in Northern Ireland. As we consider the challenges we face around the world it is clear we face a demanding agenda but, if the history of our peoples show anything it is that we persevere, as one of those London runners said at the marathon, 바카라 사이트˜We are going to keep running and we바카라 사이트™re going to keep on doing this.바카라 사이트™ And that is the spirit of confidence and resolve that we will continue to draw upon as we work together to meet these challenges.
So David, thank you very much, and welcome.
Prime Minister
Thank you very much, Barack, and thank you for the warm welcome. It is great to be back here with you in the White House. Thank you for what you said about Margaret Thatcher. It was a pleasure to welcome so many Americans to her remarkable funeral in the UK. I absolutely echo what you said about the appalling outrage in Boston. I look forward to going there to pay my tribute to the people of that remarkable city, and their courage, and we will always stand with you in the fight against terrorism. Thank you for the remarks about the cricket and the basketball. I have not made much progress. I made a bit of progress on baseball. I actually read a book about it this year, so maybe next time we will go to work on that one.
It is good to be back for the first time since the American people returned you to office. And as you said, the relationship between Britain and the United States is a partnership without parallel. Day in, day out across the world our diplomats and intelligence agencies work together, our soldiers serve together and our businesses trade with each other. In Afghanistan our armed forces are together defending the stability that will make us all safer. And in the global economic race, our businesses are doing more than $17 billion of trade across the Atlantic every month of every year. And in a changing world, our nations share a resolve to stand up for democracy, for enterprise and for freedom.
We have discussed many issues today, as the President has said. Let me highlight three: the economy, the G8 and Syria. Our greatest challenge is to secure a sustainable economic recovery. Each of us has to find the right solutions at home. For all of us it means dealing with debt, it means restoring stability, getting our economy growing, and together seizing new opportunities to grow our economies.
President Obama and I have both championed a free trade deal between the European Union and the United States, and there is a real chance now to get the process launched in time for the G8. So the next five weeks are crucial to realise the huge benefits this deal could bring, it will take ambition and political will. That means everything on the table, even the difficult issues, and no exceptions. It is worth the effort. For Britain alone, an ambitious deal could be worth up to £10 billion a year, boosting industries from car manufacturing to financial services.
We discussed the G8 Summit in some detail. When we meet on the shores of Lough Erne in Northern Ireland five weeks from today, I want us to agree ambitious action for economic growth. Open trade is at the heart of this, but we have a broader agenda too, to make sure everyone shares in the benefits of this greater openness, not just in our advanced economies but in the developing world too. I am an unashamedly pro-business politician but as we open up our economies to get business growing, we need to make sure that all companies pay their taxes properly and enable citizens to hold their governments and businesses to account.
Today we have agreed to tackle the scourge of tax evasion. We need to know who really owns a company, who profits from it, whether taxes are paid, and we need a new mechanism to track where multi-nationals make their money and where they pay their taxes so we can stop those that are manipulating the system unfairly.
Finally, we discussed the brutal conflict in Syria: 80,000 dead, five million people forced from their homes. Syria바카라 사이트™s history is being written in the blood of her people, and it is happening on our watch. The world urgently needs to come together to bring the killing to an end. None of us have any interest in seeing more lives lost, in seeing chemical weapons used or extremist violence spreading even further. So we welcome President Putin바카라 사이트™s agreement to join an effort to achieve a political solution.
The challenges remain formidable but we have an urgent window of opportunity before the worst fears are realised. There is no more urgent international task than this. We need to get Syrians to the table to agree a transitional government that can win the consent of all of the Syrian people. But there will be no political progress unless the opposition is able to withstand the onslaught and put pressure on Assad so he knows there is no military victory. So we will also increase our efforts to support and to shape the moderate opposition.
Britain is pushing for more flexibility in the EU arms embargo, and we will double non-lethal support to the Syrian opposition in the coming year. Armoured vehicles, body armour and power generators are about to be shipped. We are helping local councils govern the areas that they liberate, and we are supporting Lebanon and Jordan to deal with the influx of refugees.
We will also do more for those in desperate humanitarian need, care for trauma injuries, helping torture victims to recover, getting Syrian families drinking clean water, having access to food, to shelter. There is now, I believe, common ground between the US, UK, Russia and many others that, whatever our differences, we have the same aim: a stable inclusive and peaceful Syria, free from the scourge of extremism. There is real political will behind this. We now need to get on and do everything we can to make it happen.
Barack, thank you once again for your warm welcome and for our talks today.
President Obama
Thank you. Now, we바카라 사이트™ve got time for a couple of questions.
Question
Thank you, Mr President. I wanted to ask about the IRS and Benghazi. When did you first learn that the IRS was targeting conservative political groups? Do you feel that the IRS has betrayed the public바카라 사이트™s trust and what do you think the repercussions for these actions should be?
And on Benghazi, newly public emails show that the White House and the State Department appear to have been more closely involved with the crafting of the talking points on the attack than first acknowledged. Do you think the White House misled the public about its role in shaping the talking points, and do you stand by your Administration바카라 사이트™s assertions that the talking points were not purposely changed to downplay the prospects of terrorism?
And Prime Minister Cameron, on Syria, if the EU arms embargo that you mentioned is amended or lapses, is it your intention to send the Syrian opposition forces weapons? And are you encouraging President Obama to take the same step? Thank you.
President Obama
Well, let me take the IRS situation first. I first learned about it from the same news reports that I think most people learned about this. I think it was on Friday. And this is pretty straightforward. If in fact IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups then that바카라 사이트™s outrageous and there바카라 사이트™s no place for it. And they have to be held fully accountable because the IRS as an independent agency requires absolute integrity and people have to have confidence that they바카라 사이트™re applying it in a non-partisan way 바카라 사이트“ applying the laws in a non-partisan way.
And you should feel that way regardless of party. I don바카라 사이트™t care whether you바카라 사이트™re a Democrat, independent or a Republican. At some point there are going to be Republican administrations, at some point there are going to be Democratic ones; either way you don바카라 사이트™t want the IRS ever being perceived to be biased and anything less than neutral in terms of how they operate.
So this is something that I think people are properly concerned about. The IG is conducting its investigation and I바카라 사이트™m not going to comment on their specific findings prematurely but I can tell you that if you바카라 사이트™ve got the IRS operating in anything less than a neutral and non-partisan way then that is outrageous. It is contrary to our traditions and people have to be held accountable and it바카라 사이트™s got to be fixed. So we바카라 사이트™ll wait and see what exactly all the details and the facts are but I바카라 사이트™ve got no patience with it. I will not tolerate it and we바카라 사이트™ll make sure that we find out exactly what happened on this.
With respect to Benghazi, we바카라 사이트™ve now seen this argument that바카라 사이트™s been made by some folks primarily up on Capitol Hill for months now and I바카라 사이트™ve just got to say, here바카라 사이트™s what we know. Americans died in Benghazi. What we also know is clearly they were not in a position where they were adequately protected. The day after it happened I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism and what I pledged to the American people was that we would find out what happened, we would make sure that it did not happen again and we would make sure that we held accountable those who had perpetrated this terrible crime. And that바카라 사이트™s exactly what we바카라 사이트™ve been trying to do.
And over the last several months there was a review board headed by two distinguished Americans, Mike Mullen and Tom Pickering, who investigated every element of this and what they discovered was some pretty harsh judgements in terms of how we had worked to protect consulates and embassies around the world. They gave us a whole series of recommendations. Those recommendations are being implemented as we speak.
The whole issue of this 바카라 사이트“ of talking points, frankly throughout this process has been a sideshow. What we have been very clear about throughout was that, immediately after this event happened, we were not clear who exactly had carried it out, how it had been 바카라 사이트“ how it had occurred, what the motivations were. It happened at the same time as we had seen attacks on US embassies in Cairo as a consequence of this film.
And nobody understood exactly what was taking place during the course of those first few days. And the emails that you allude to were provided by us to congressional committees. They reviewed them several months ago, concluded that in fact there was nothing afoul in terms of the process that we had used. And suddenly three days ago this gets spun up as if there바카라 사이트™s something new to the story. There바카라 사이트™s nothing there.
Keep in mind, by the way, these so called talking points that were prepared for Susan Rice five, six days after the event occurred pretty much matched the assessments that I was receiving at that time in my presidential daily briefing. And keep in mind that two to three days after Susan Rice appeared on the Sunday shows using these talking points which had been the source of all this controversy, I sent up the head of our National Counterterrorism Centre, Matt Olson, up to Capitol Hill and specifically said it was an act of terrorism and that extremist elements inside of Libya had been involved in it.
So if this was some effort on our part to try to downplay what had happened or tamp it down, that would be a pretty odd thing that three days later we end up putting out all the information that in fact has now served as the basis for everybody recognising that this was a terrorist attack and that it may have included elements that were planned by extremists inside of Libya. Who executes some sort of cover-up or effort to tamp things down for three days?
So the whole thing defies logic and the fact that this keeps on getting churned out frankly has a lot to do with political motivations. We바카라 사이트™ve had folks who have challenged Hillary Clinton바카라 사이트™s integrity, Susan Rice바카라 사이트™s integrity, Mike Mullen and Tom Pickering바카라 사이트™s integrity. It바카라 사이트™s a given that mine gets challenged by the same folks. They바카라 사이트™ve used it for fundraising.
And frankly if anybody out there wants to actually focus on how we make sure something like this does not happen again, I am happy to get their advice, and information and counsel. But the fact of the matter is these four Americans, as I said right when it happened, were people I sent into the field and I바카라 사이트™ve been very clear about taking responsibility for the fact that we were not able to prevent their deaths. And we are doing everything we can to make sure we prevent it in part because there are still diplomats around the world who are in very dangerous, difficult situations, and we don바카라 사이트™t have time to be playing these kinds of political games here in Washington. We should be focused on what are we doing to protect them. And that바카라 사이트™s not easy by the way. It바카라 사이트™s going to require resources and tough judgements and tough calls and there are a whole bunch of diplomats out there who know that they바카라 사이트™re in harm바카라 사이트™s way. And there are threat streams that come through every so often with respect to our embassies and our consulates.
And that바카라 사이트™s not just us by the way. The British have to deal with the same thing and we바카라 사이트™ve got a whole bunch of people in the State Department who consistently say, 바카라 사이트˜You know what? I바카라 사이트™m willing to step up. I바카라 사이트™m willing to put myself in harm바카라 사이트™s way because I think that this mission is important in terms of serving the United States and advancing our interests around the globe.바카라 사이트™
And so we dishonour them when we turn things like this into a political circus. What happened was tragic. It was carried out by extremists inside of Libya. We are out there trying to hunt down the folks who carried this out and we are trying to make sure that we fix the system so that it doesn바카라 사이트™t happen again.
Prime Minister
Thank you. On the issue of the opposition in Syria, I mean we바카라 사이트™ve not made the decision to arm opposition groups in Syria. What we바카라 사이트™ve done is we have amended the EU arms embargo in order that we can give technical assistance and technical advice. And as I said in my statement, that바카라 사이트™s exactly what we바카라 사이트™re doing. We바카라 사이트™re continuing to examine and look at the EU arms embargo and see whether we need to make further changes to it in order to facilitate our work with the opposition.
I do believe that there바카라 사이트™s more we can do alongside technical advice, assistance, help in order to shape them, in order to work with them. And to those who doubt that approach, I would just argue that look if we don바카라 사이트™t help the Syrian opposition 바카라 사이트“ who we do recognise as being legitimate, who바카라 사이트™ve signed up to a statement about a future for Syria that is democratic, that respects the rights of minorities 바카라 사이트“ if we don바카라 사이트™t work with that part of the opposition then we shouldn바카라 사이트™t be surprised if the extremist elements grow.
So I think being engaged with the Syrian opposition is the right approach and that is an approach I know I share with the President and with other colleagues in the European Union.
Question
Prime Minister, you바카라 사이트™re talking here today about a new EU바카라 사이트“US trade deal and yet members of your party are now talking about leaving the European Union. What is your message to them and to those pushing for an early referendum? And if there were a referendum tomorrow, how would you vote?
And Mr President, earlier this year you told David Cameron that you wanted a strong UK in a strong EU. How concerned are you that members of David Cameron바카라 사이트™s cabinet are now openly contemplating withdrawal.
And on Syria 바카라 사이트“ if I may, a question to both of you 바카라 사이트“ what gives you any confidence that the Russians are going to help you on this?
Prime Minister
Well first of all, on the issue of a referendum: look, there바카라 사이트™s not going to be a referendum tomorrow and there바카라 사이트™s a very good reason why there바카라 사이트™s not going to be a referendum tomorrow. It바카라 사이트™s because it would give the British public, I think, an entirely false choice between the status quo, which I don바카라 사이트™t think is acceptable 바카라 사이트“ I want to see the European Union change; I want to see Britain바카라 사이트™s relationship with the European change and improve 바카라 사이트“ so, it would be a false choice between the status quo and leaving and I don바카라 사이트™t think that is the choice the British public want or the British public deserve.
Everything I do in this area is guided by a very simple principle, which is: what is in the national interests of Britain? Is it in the national interests of Britain to have a transatlantic trade deal that will make our countries more prosperous, that will get people to work, that will help our businesses? Yes it is and so we will push for this transatlantic trade deal. Is it in our interests to reform the European Union, to make it more open, more competitive, more flexible and to improve Britain바카라 사이트™s place within the European Union? Yes it is in our national interests.
And it바카라 사이트™s not only in our national interests, it is achievable, because Europe has to change because the single currency is driving change for that part of the European Union that is in the single currency. And just as they want changes, so I believe Britain is quite entitled to ask for and to get changes in response.
And then finally, is it in Britain바카라 사이트™s national interest, once we have achieved those changes but before the end of 2017, to consult the British public in a proper, full on, in/out referendum? Yes, I believe it is. So that바카라 사이트™s the approach that we take: everything driven by what is the bread 바카라 사이트“ British national interest. That is what I바카라 사이트™m going to deliver. It바카라 사이트™s absolutely right for our country. It has very strong support throughout the country and in the Conservative Party, and that바카라 사이트™s exactly what I바카라 사이트™m going to do.
On the Syrian issue, you asked the question what are the signs of Russian engagement. Well, I had very good talks with President Putin in Sochi on Friday and look, we had a very frank conversation, in that we have approached this and in some extent still do approach this in a different way. I have been very vocal in supporting the Syrian opposition in saying that Assad has to go, that he is not legitimate. And I continue to say that and President Putin has taken a different point of view.
But where there is a common interest in that it is in both our interests that at the end of this there is a stable, democratic Syria; that there is a stable neighbourhood; and that we don바카라 사이트™t encourage the growth of violent extremism. And I think both the Russian President, the American President and myself, I think we can all see that the current trajectory of how things are going is not actually in anybody바카라 사이트™s interests and so it is worth this major diplomatic effort, which we are all together leading 바카라 사이트“ this major diplomatic effort to bring the parties to the table to achieve a transition at the top in Syria, so that we can make the change that country needs.
President Obama
Right. With respect to the relationship between the UK and the EU, we have a special relationship with the United Kingdom and we believe that our capacity to partner with a United Kingdom that is active, robust, outward looking and engaged with the world is hugely important to our own interests, as well as the world. And I think the UK바카라 사이트™s participation in the EU is an expression of its influence and its role in the world as well as obviously a very important economic partnership.
Now ultimately, the people of the UK have to make decisions for themselves. I will say this: that David바카라 사이트™s point that you probably want to see if you can fix what바카라 사이트™s broken in a very important relationship before you break it off makes some sense to me and I know that David바카라 사이트™s been very active in seeking some reforms internal to the EU. Those are tough negotiations, you바카라 사이트™ve got a lot of countries involved, I recognise that. But so long as we haven바카라 사이트™t yet evaluated how successful those reforms will be, I at least would be interested in seeing whether or not those are successful before rendering a final judgement. Again, I want to emphasise, these are issues for the people of the United Kingdom to make a decision about, not ours.
With respect to Syria, I think David said it very well. If you look objectively, the entire world community has an interest in seeing a Syria that is not engaged in sectarian war; in which the Syrian people are not being slaughtered; that is an island of peace as opposed to, potentially, an outpost for extremists. That바카라 사이트™s not just true for the United States, that바카라 사이트™s not just true for Great Britain, that바카라 사이트™s not just true for countries like Jordan and Turkey that border Syria, but that바카라 사이트™s also true for Russia.
And you know, I바카라 사이트™m pleased to hear that David had a very constructive conversation with President Putin shortly after the conversation that had taken place between John Kerry and President Putin. I바카라 사이트™ve spoken to President Putin several times on this topic and our basic argument is that as a leader on the world stage, Russia has an interest as well as an obligation to try to resolve this issue in a way that can lead to the kind of outcome that we바카라 사이트™d all like to see over the long term.
And 바카라 사이트“ look, I don바카라 사이트™t think it바카라 사이트™s any secret that there remains lingering suspicions between Russia and other members of the G8 or the West. You know, it바카라 사이트™s been several decades now since Russia transformed itself and the Eastern Bloc transformed itself but, you know, some of those suspicions still exist. And part of what my goal has been, John Kerry바카라 사이트™s goal has been and I know that David바카라 사이트™s goal has been is to try to break down some of those suspicions and look objectively at the situation.
If in fact we can broker a peaceful political transition that leads to Assad바카라 사이트™s departure but a state in Syria that is still intact, that accommodates the interests of all the ethnic groups, all the religious groups inside of Syria, and that ends the bloodshed, stabilises the situation, that바카라 사이트™s not just going to be good for us, that바카라 사이트™ll be good for everybody. And we바카라 사이트™re going to be very persistent in trying to make that happen.
I바카라 사이트™m not promising that it바카라 사이트™s going to be successful. Frankly, sometimes once, sort of, the furies have been unleashed in a situation like we바카라 사이트™re seeing in Syria, it바카라 사이트™s very hard to put things back together. And you know, there are going to be enormous challenges in getting a credible process going, even if Russia is involved because we still have other countries like Iran and we have non state actors like Hezbollah that have been actively involved. And frankly, on the other side, we바카라 사이트™ve got organisations like al Nusra that are essentially affiliated to al-Qaeda, that have another agenda beyond just getting rid of Assad.
So all that makes a combustible mix and it바카라 사이트™s going to be challenging. But it바카라 사이트™s worth the effort and what we can tell you is that we바카라 사이트™re always more successful in any global effort when we바카라 사이트™ve got a strong friend and partner like Great Britain by our side and strong leadership by Prime Minister David Cameron.
All right. Thank you very much, everybody.